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09/13/2005

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LydiaRamos

I opine that to get the mortgage loans from banks you must have a great reason. However, once I've got a commercial loan, just because I wanted to buy a bike.

Dave Munger

Tangentialy: Do Objectivists now believe that to limit federal funding for private medical experiments involving infanticide is tantamount to declaring that "war on science" I've been hearing so much about?

Rob

Well, sign me up for that.. I seem to have worn out my welcome in 3 comments or less. :-}

Tom McMahon

I'm seriously thinking of starting an I've-Been-Told-To-Go-To-Hell-with-Whittaker-Chambers Club, open to anyone who's written a bad review of Atlas Shrugged, or otherwise PO'd an Objectivist.

And to think that when I started that day I thought the Bunghole story would have gotten all the comments. Just goes to show you how wrong we all can be!

Rob

Wow, I made the front page of Tom's blog! I'm honored, though it's not quite the way I'd ever envisioned makeing it there. BTW, the "antics" she refers to is an apology I posted there. I'll do her the favor of no longer commenting there and leave my stupid comments for Tom's blog where land values are cheaper. Must be all the mosquitos, don'ch know.

Kevin Murphy

Tom,

At the risk of being thrown into the outer dark with you and Whittaker Chambers, here's a link to my review of Atlas Shrugged:

http://funmurphys.com/lotw/letter20.html

Kevin Murphy

Jim,

I'm glad to see we're in agreement.

Guy

I knew a gentleman who didn't believe in "mixed marriages". He was from another era - a gunner in the 29th Bomb Group www.29bg.com in WWII. He lived in Indep, MO, and I don't think he realized I have black brother-in-law, but I liked him anyways. If he had ever made it to Dallas I would've taken great pleasure introducing them and watching what happened. They're both so polite I doubt there would've been any fireworks...

James Heaps-Nelson

Kevin,

I bother with the commenters here because I remember a time long ago when I had views much the same as yourselves.

Jim

Woody

Tom wrote: "Just so there's no mistake: Diana Mertz Hsieh is no lefty, she's an Objectivist."

Sorry for my error, Tom. I classified her as a liberal based on my experiences without having read or understood the entire discussion. I know libertarians and people who recommend Atlas Shrugged and I've lived a good while, but I'm amazed that I have never heard of an Objectivist. Maybe it's from living in the Bible Belt.

I'll stand back and look forward to your enlightening entry tomorrow.

James Heaps-Nelson

Kevin,

I remember the context and I happen to have a xenophobic old ex-marine uncle whose views sometimes give me heartburn. But he has never once insulted me or my wife and wouldn't insult anyone important to me. And that's what is important in family relations if they are to mean something.

Jim

Tom McMahon

Jim, I have an excerpt from that Whittaker Chambers 1957 review of Atlas Shrugged in queue for tomorrow, along with a link to the entire review. Talk to you then.

Kevin Murphy

Jim,

If you remember the context it was about extended family memembers and how you should act when you encounter them at family functions. Tom's suggestion wasn't to go forth and convert racists worldwide.

PS if that's your honest belief, why do you bother with us commenters here?

Rob

jhn>The concept that altruism subverts is that man's life, liberty and property are his by right.
Uhhh, but that's the foundation this country was founded on. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happieness is an unalienable right. That's where America came from and that's why we DO give support to every "pesthole" around the world. If objectiveism is opposed to this then I would kindly suggest that they picked the wrong country to prosper in. :-}

Rob

Jim... religous conservatives aren't trying to legislate morality. That's a lost cause. What they ARE trying to do (and I heartely support) is stop public funds going to things which the majority of Americans don't support. There's a huge difference. The former violates the first ammenment whereas the latter is called Democracy. That's the thing about democracy, the minority always gets the shaft.
I second Tom's suggestion... get a blog and lets do this argument right.. :-}

James Heaps-Nelson

Tom,

Was Chambers' characterization of Rand's views accurate? How is it possible that Atlas Shrugged can be distorted so much to be portrayed as a ally of fascism? Rand was an enemy of totalitarianism of all stripes.

Jim

Tom McMahon

Jim, perhaps you should start a blog yourself. I think you would be good at it, and if this thread is any indication, you have a knack for getting the opposing side to listen to you.

James Heaps-Nelson

Incidentally, Objectivists do not hate Christians. We deal with them every day in our lives and lots of times in our families and they are a source of great benefit. However, we generally try to provide value for value. This is not in a strict monetary sense. Most Objectivists are loving, caring people when love is earned.

However, aspiring professional Objectivist intellectuals like Diana have a special problem: how do I engage people with whom I disagree without giving them a moral sanction in the realm of ideas? And it is a serious issue. Look at the state of conservatism today. I doubt there is a small government conservative of the Goldwater variety left in politics today. Why? The religious conservatives took over and allied with liberals to bloat our budgets. They have acted on their own to curtail genetic science and legislate morality. Where does big government in both economics and the social sphere end?

Jim

Tom McMahon

Jim, Many years ago I read Witness and had no idea that one day far in the future that I would be told to go to Hell with my friend, Whittaker Chambers. I consider this to be quite an honor. I mean, how long has it been since anybody has been told to go to Hell with Whittaker Chambers? I dare say that I may well be the very first recipient of this honor in the new millennium.

So I got that going for me, which is nice . . .

James Heaps-Nelson

Kevin,

Given that there are so many in the world who are not racists, why waste the time?

I think the National Review thing was the last straw for Diana and I'm somewhat sorry for bringing it up, however it's not just a 50 year old thing. Every 2 years or so National Review publishes some derogatory comment about Rand. Also, if Buckley really disagreed with the review he's had 50 years to correct it.

Jim

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